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had a spontaneous experience as far as

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something related to psy and can you

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guys stand up if you've ever had an

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experience just stand up because I want

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you guys to look at each other and

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really see this each other if you've

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ever had a spontaneous experience

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yourself I'm sure there's a few more

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people that are just being lazy but

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that's okay so I had an identical twin

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sister and and so she was also born on

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that planet

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oops okay pointer I won't use a pointer

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okay so we had lots of experiences

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together tell up at the communication

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and dreams and when we were about 12

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years old we lived a couple hours away

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from the Theosophical society and in

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Wheaton Illinois and my sister somehow

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got a library membership from there

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where we would get materials sent to us

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I have no idea how she did that

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at the age of 12 but so we started to

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read all kinds of the esophageal

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material which we couldn't understand

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and I still basically can't understand

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it but but it got us really interested

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in meditation and we really wanted to

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learn how could we control our

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availabilities but whatever we read it

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would just say to meditate and it would

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say well you can meditate but that's not

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really the point of meditation and so it

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was a little bit frustrating and like

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probably many of you sometimes we'd have

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experiences and get really into this

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stuff and other times life would take us

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in other directions so I ended up going

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to the planet of academia got my

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bachelor's in psychology masters and

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Social Work and got a job as a federal

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probation officer and that was very

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stressful and I ended up taking some

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meditation classes on the planet of

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clairvoyant reading and healing and that

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was a very interesting planet was

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actually the Berkley psychic Institute

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has anyone heard of Berkley psychic

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Institute all right have you graduated

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from there well it was a interesting

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place and

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the thing that blew my mind was that

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there were so many people who could

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really seem to really be able to read

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other people get very accurate

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information about them now the focus

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wasn't on mediumship and I've known many

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people throughout the years who were

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from the planet of mediumship but this

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was different this was different

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practices even though it involved

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reading people so we some of our

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practices unlike mediums where a lot of

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times they'll stand up in front of a

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group of people and do what's called

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hold readings we would sit there with

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our eyes closed and try to not get

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information ahead of time not that all

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mediums do that but we we use different

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practices and we really weren't focused

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on trying to connect with spirits even

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though that oftentimes would happen

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after a while if you tuned into a person

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into their energy field if there happens

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to be some kind of being or spirit

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around them or what seems to be some

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kind of presence that will come up so I

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was very involved in that I went through

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a 13-month clairvoyant training program

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and then I went there whole bunch of

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changes and ended up leaving my job as a

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probation officer moved to the

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Philippines where I went to Planet

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healing for a year or so working with

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the different healers out there then I

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came back and I became a professional

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psychic I wrote a few books on the

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subject of clairvoyant reading and

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healing so I really stayed on that

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planet for a while I started the

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international school of clairvoyance and

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taught these techniques I had learned at

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the school well around that time this

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was about 25 years ago I was reading

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Russell Tarbes books everything I could

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about remote viewing and even though

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training people how to read other people

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viewing and I started working with

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people over the phone which produced

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some really interesting results because

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we weren't physically together so I

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could do things like have an object and

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I noticed some very interesting patterns

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if I just said okay what's that describe

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this object maybe they wouldn't be

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describing it but then if I'm

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they would suddenly see it and at first

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but they're like oh yeah I see this like

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stuffed animal with these big eyes and

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and it's moving all around and I was

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like well it's not and then I realized I

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was moving it so I started to move the

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objects and it seemed like every time I

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did that they would notice it so I

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noticed some other things too like one

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time a student was talking he was doing

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a very good job describing this painting

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I had on my wall but that was behind

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glass and him but he started to talk

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about this roof this door and a

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reflection of a door and I was like well

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he's really getting off-track here

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because there's no reflection in the

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door and and so about two days later I

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chair and I'd looked at the painting and

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sure enough you could see the reflection

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of a door in the painting so this told

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me something that he wasn't just reading

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my mind because at that point I wasn't

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sure is this just telepathy but he had

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been actually describing something that

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I hadn't been seeing myself and I didn't

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said sometimes I would take pictures and

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send them to the people but in those

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days we really weren't over the internet

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too much so he didn't even get that

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feedback photo like most of my students

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would get now so one other interesting

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experience that was I had a beautiful

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bowl of strawberries a basket of

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strawberries a green basket and the

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student had done a really great job of

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describing the the basket describing

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something red in there all these

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characteristics and then suddenly they

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really scared and they said this is

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dangerous

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and this kid really kills someone and I

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was like okay they're getting off that's

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too bad because they were doing really

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you know calm down don't worry it's just

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a basket of strawberries I picked on

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myself and they said oh well that

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explains it I'm allergic to strawberries

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so this really taught me that that

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remote viewers experiences are there

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their perceptions and their descriptions

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so much come from what their own

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experiences this also started to

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me into the problems in judging and

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reading reading descriptions because if

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somebody put that down on a piece of

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paper you know a beautiful basket of

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strawberries are dangerous a judge would

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mark that as wrong so that got me really

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interested I wanted to know well can

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these things be repeated and you know

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can I set this up in more of a formal

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way but I knew I didn't know enough

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about remote viewing and sure enough I

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just kind of put it out there to the

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universe I want to learn more and I was

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contacted very soon after by some

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researchers who one that they wanted to

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learn remote viewing themselves a

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medical doctor and a plant biologist and

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they also wanted to know could remote

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viewers describe microscopic organisms

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and so we got together and did all these

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experiments and we ended up training

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ourselves and also getting into research

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we won a remote you need an award

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through the International remote viewing

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Association the medical doctor ended up

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getting removed from the project due to

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some problems he was having and this was

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really my introduction to research

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because I was pretty much stuck on this

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project having no idea what I was doing

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and took five years we had been given a

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$2,000 grant and so even though we were

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putting in probably hundreds of hours

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bacteriophage and basically open

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response choice format and then these

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had to be rated by by virologists that

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we had to recruit so this was a

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tremendously difficult project but we

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learned a lot from it and so part of my

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point here is I went over to the remote

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viewing planet then I went over to the

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world of parapsychology when I started

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to present this work and then I also got

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invited to be a research subject so I

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ended up going to Planet parapsychology

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and going to a couple different states

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here and so I did some projects with

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with atmae and de fear men I did a

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project with Stanley partner James

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Spottiswoode and and a few others and I

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learned a lot and I one of the things

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that I really learned was that people

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don't tend to travel between these

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planets they tend to stay there and they

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have some very particular ideas about

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the other people that live on these and

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very closed ideas I also learned that a

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lot of the parapsychologists had tended

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to travel to one particular planet or a

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couple but not the others and so their

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research was very much informed by where

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they have visited and some of their

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research was really a little bit wacky

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about a couple models here I'd say the

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outdated model is that fires anomalous

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buzzword

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but I still don't like it because I

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seriously

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sincerely believe that everybody is

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psychic everyone has this potential and

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it's just a matter of education and

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training for example how many of you

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have ever felt somebody else's emotion

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or pain or body sensation if you feel

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like you've ever done that in your life

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at least once okay a majority of people

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are raising their hands and how many of

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you know several other people who do

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that weird you know you might have a

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pain in your head and turns out it's

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your friend who's having a really bad

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headache or you suddenly I've had this

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happen where suddenly my hand it goes

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into extraordinary pain and I know it

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was fine a second before so I'm like

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what's going on and then sure enough

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somebody walks in with a bleeding hand

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this is really pretty normal the thing

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is so many people in our society don't

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realize that it's normal so they don't

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even ask the question is this could this

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be coming from outside myself so again

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there's ideas for example one of the big

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things is that a lot of people and then

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researchers think that psy is

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and it it happens just instantly well a

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lot of times that's very true but you

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can actually control it in a way where

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you can direct your attention and have

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moment after moment after moment of

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and just want to skip over here so I'm

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going to talk about remote viewing and

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training some of you may have noticed a

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lack of research in remote viewing now

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over the last 20 years has anyone

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noticed that that there's a real lack in

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the literature of remote viewing and

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what's going on here now when I use the

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term remote viewing most of you are

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aware that that comes out of the

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Stanford Research Institute's work and

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the military programs where they use

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they trained psychics to use their

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psychic abilities so there's a lot of

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talk still about the the grand old days

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at SR I and in the military but there's

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really very little talk about what's

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going on today and remote viewing and

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I'd like to say there's a couple of

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people here who've been very involved

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Simeon Hine who you'll meet tomorrow and

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then John Noble who wrote the book

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natural remote viewing and we have other

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people here who I've seen at the remote

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viewing conferences and one of the main

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components is that people are trained

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and not just trained but the philosophy

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behind because remote viewing came out

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of the military in SR I people even

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brand-new students are trained under the

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idea that when you are using your

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psychic abilities to describe something

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a physical location or an object that

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you should work blind blind means that

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you're given a target number some

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indicator but you have no idea what it

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is that you're describing sometimes you

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might know it's a location or you might

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know it's an object but sometimes you

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don't even know that and so people in

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this field are just immediately taught

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to work in really a pretty scientific

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way so I did a little a little survey

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here

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I had

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117 respondents and basically we asked

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have you received any remote viewing

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training at all and a hundred out of the

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118 said yes and then they asked we

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asked has your performance improved and

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as you can see here both felt a little

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bit 29 felt a lot forty felt

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tremendously and ten said I can't tell

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so a lot of people feel that training

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helps and I'm standing here to say that

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even though I had already been trained

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in another psychic discipline I didn't

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really know how to guide myself around a

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location or how to do more than get the

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initial bit of information or what if I

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got some information and half the time

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it's it's right on and the other half

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it's completely off what do you do then

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are you just stuck with you know having

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these possibly wrong perceptions no

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there's things you can do to direct your

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attention to get the right information

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and I just want I know I don't have a

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lot of times so these were this was from

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our bacteriophage project and see we had

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a couple this is a remote viewer sketch

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I'm just gonna skip over this real quick

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so oftentimes remote viewing involves

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in-depth sessions and these can

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sometimes take hours long so it's not

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just an immediate impression it's hours

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of guiding yourself around a target

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location and this is important because I

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have been coming across so much research

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where where the design calls for just

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spontaneous acts of you know spontaneous

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reflexes much like card guessing and

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that model is still around and so I just

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wanted to show here this was the product

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woman from I did a project for a year

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with dick Biermann and and may where I

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did 45 remote viewing sessions it's a

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study that hasn't been published yet and

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I'm not sure if it will be but Edie

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really likes when you turn in

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your session to just have like about ten

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perceptions or less and he doesn't

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there's this whole long dispute going

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back to the us our ideas about whether

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or not some of these methodologies

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developed by Ingo Swann and how food off

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work and so I've been trained in them I

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don't always use them but I like to take

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my time so Edie has an idea well if

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you're gonna describe a photo you know

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it only needs to take a few minutes I

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took about an hour for this session and

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then I just took my 20 pages and narrow

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them down to just a few words and that

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seemed to work out pretty good but you

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can see if you're gonna get you know

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different parts of a complex structure

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you need to work your way around well

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how do you work your way around it's

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very simple you just how if I said to

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you guys what's in the back of the room

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like could you tell me what's in the

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back of the room right now what's on the

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wall no but how how could you know that

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what would you do right you would turn

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your head and you and look and this is

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basically what you do in remote viewing

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sessions you know you might if if you

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want to know what's on the inside you

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just need to go to the inside and you

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just do this in your imagination and it

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really couldn't be easier than that

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but sometimes it's it's easy to forget

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to do these things one of the things I

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wanted to talk about is some of what

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remote viewers are working on today and

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I see I'm so almost out of time here but

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one of the problems with remote viewing

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that we're trying to work out is that

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there seems to be a mixture of correct

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and incorrect elements so this was one

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of my sessions I was tasked to describe

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what caused the trade $0.07 her to

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collapse and you can see I got the

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airplane but in my mind I had swastikas

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on it and I was thinking of really world

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war ii so that wasn't correct so how do

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we deal with with that well there are

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certain things within the training that

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will help you but in order to deal with

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that you really have to stay in a

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session for a long time you have to put

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aside what you initially

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and you just keep working the session

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one of the things I found is that if I

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keep going back to the location and

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let's say I stay in session for an hour

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or two hours there's going to be

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repeating elements and those elements

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tend to be more correct again sessions

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take time and one of the problems with a

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lot of research projects is that the

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researchers are telling the the subject

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how to do the work instead of asking

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what would be the best way for you guys

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to do the work this was another example

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of a session where I I had drawn this

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art shape and this was when I was pretty

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new and so we this was part of a project

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for the international remote viewing

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Association where they give you a target

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and you upload your sessions to their

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page John Noble runs the project and so

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I ended up uploading my session and

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looking at the other viewer sessions and

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what I noticed was that they all have

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the same shape at this I didn't have

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this flushed out I just had this shape

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and so I saw others did too but they

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didn't say what it was or have any

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descriptions around it except one person

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said it was a rainbow and I knew that it

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was not a rainbow so what this told me

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was I had not done a good enough job I

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hadn't taken my time to fully explore

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this so I went back in the session

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because they haven't given us our

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feedback yet and I brought myself up to

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top of the top and said what's up here

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got people with binoculars I said okay

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what's down at the bottom and I found

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that I was rappelling down now that was

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kind of strange why would I be

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rappelling down

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well that would tell me you don't rappel

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out of a building so this told me that

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this had to be something outside and

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sure enough it was iers rock so that

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turned out to be a pretty good match but

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my point here is that it took extra work

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extra attention and I have about

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probably 100 more hours of my

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presentation but what I really want to

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impress

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as my examples here are pretty typical

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of remote viewers and there's hundreds

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of remote viewers and they so want to to

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get better and they want to they're

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interested in research and they're

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interested in working with scientists

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and researchers there being informal

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researchers themselves but they need

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help and they would just love for

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somebody to take an interest and if you

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have any

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I know hundreds of remote viewers so if

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any of you need subjects you want to I

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have a program called adopt a pair of

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psychologists where I'm trying to pair

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them together so please get in touch

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which planet are you headed to now well

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that's a good question I just started my

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going for my PhD at University of West

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Georgia so I'll be there for academia

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for a few years and then hopefully

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became planification is still more or

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less in the remote viewing sphere yeah

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yeah I look at it like I go between two

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planets I'm a professional clairvoyant

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during the day and then I run my

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training school so I teach four classes

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fifteen hours a week and then I also do

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remote viewing remote viewing is like my

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extracurricular activities and then

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doing research so your your studies at

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the University don't relate directly to

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well actually you may know dr. Christine

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Simmons Moore who's the she was the vice

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president of the PA Association she's a

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pair of psychologists and I just

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finished an assistantship with her so

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she's at the University and they're

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actually really open to these subjects

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and so I'm gonna also Ingo Swan who you

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guys probably personally knew he his

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archives are at the University and so

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I've been working in the archives as

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in a group of remote viewers that you're

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involved with or you set up I guess do

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you also have Auto Body experiencers or

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you just have remote viewers because you

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know there's a distinction right when

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your remote viewing you have your

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individual images and what you have

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feelings inner feelings but when you're

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out-of-body right you have a inner

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vision right you don't use your eyes

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that you see all around like 360 degrees

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what you call the circular vision right

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you have tactile and input you have the

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olfactory sensory inputs you have so and

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if you do have out-of-body experiences

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how would it compare with the remote

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viewers or remote viewing rather you

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know I mean we've talked about it before

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some people believe that they are going

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out of bodies some people believe that

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they're extending out I have fun with my

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students if I say let's go out of our

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bodies and let's fly over here but that

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works if you say you're going through a

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portal over to the location that works

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so it's really through imagination but

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even the idea that you can take the

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location and bring it right to you and

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then interact with it so it's really

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however you want to conceptualize it and

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you know we we can't

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I know Ingo believe that that there was

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you know out-of-body factor and I would

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say that's my sense too at times or if

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not out-of-body there's a dissociation

547
00:22:59,789 --> 00:22:56,799
but you know we can't prove that I'm

548
00:23:02,880 --> 00:22:59,799
just just a quick question I'm sort of a

549
00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:02,890
lateral subject on teach ability in the

550
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:04,630
education field we have good studies now

551
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:06,970
that creativity declines starting around

552
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,190
the age of five right right around when

553
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:11,940
you enter school so we lose some

554
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,340
Perle sense of balance with creativity

555
00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:17,039
have you done any work on teachability

556
00:23:21,049 --> 00:23:18,870
with children whether there's gifts that

557
00:23:23,749 --> 00:23:21,059
are naturally there or working with the

558
00:23:26,299 --> 00:23:23,759
very young well I think remote viewing

559
00:23:29,299 --> 00:23:26,309
is an ideal thing if you want to help

560
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,309
them get in touch with their abilities

561
00:23:33,139 --> 00:23:30,720
that's a perfect thing I really

562
00:23:35,299 --> 00:23:33,149
discouraged them from doing things like

563
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:35,309
clairvoyant reading or mediumship or

564
00:23:39,889 --> 00:23:37,110
anything until they're way older because

565
00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:39,899
it's basically like doing counseling and

566
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:42,299
I've just found that even teenagers like

567
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:44,580
emotionally they make really bad choices

568
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,529
if they're hooked up with people to give

569
00:23:50,899 --> 00:23:48,960
them information so but plain remote

570
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:50,909
viewing games having them described

571
00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:53,370
pages and there are text books and

572
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,080
things like that are great you haven't

573
00:24:00,320 --> 00:23:57,360
found that it's a gift per se that you

574
00:24:05,509 --> 00:24:00,330
find often and use that I don't go out

575
00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:05,519
you know this is my I my own thought on

576
00:24:09,499 --> 00:24:07,470
this is that people need to be

577
00:24:11,629 --> 00:24:09,509
encouraged and educated and there are

578
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:11,639
some that just naturally are open for a

579
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:13,500
number of different reasons that you

580
00:24:18,139 --> 00:24:15,090
know we don't have time to go into but

581
00:24:18,919 --> 00:24:18,149
my belief is that if we started at very

582
00:24:20,749 --> 00:24:18,929
young age

583
00:24:22,249 --> 00:24:20,759
having them play different psychic games